2 Things Every Parent Wishes They'd Known Sooner
21 November 2018 · 27 min · as at 2018-11-21
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Episode analysis
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A presentation to parents and learners from Edu Inc, a mainstream independent school in Fourways, Johannesburg, that writes the IEB. The speaker, who is not named, covers two things parents wish they had known sooner. The first is cognitive levels, based on Bloom's taxonomy and the CAPS simplification, and how exams weight them. The second is that learning is supposed to be hard, because struggle, an appropriate amount of stress and positive frustration drive real learning. The talk closes with practical guidance on the parent's supportive role, how to divide study time, and a concept-by-concept method for working through past papers.
Key ideas
- The speaker argues that children who get everything right at home still fail because parents test only lower cognitive levels, which make up a portion of the exam. [00:35]▸ [00:52]▸ [05:20]▸
- Cognitive levels are about how learners must demonstrate engagement with information, not intelligence. CAPS groups Bloom's six levels into three exam levels. [01:42]▸ [04:00]▸ [04:00]▸ [04:19]▸ [04:47]▸
- Well-constructed exams should be hard and include unseen questions requiring knowledge to be applied in new ways. [01:00]▸ [01:22]▸ [01:31]▸
- The instruction verbs in a question signal which cognitive level is required. [06:18]▸ [07:35]▸
- The speaker argues that real learning happens through struggle, with an appropriate amount of stress and positive frustration. [17:15]▸ [17:19]▸ [19:10]▸ [19:37]▸ [22:19]▸ [22:32]▸
- Engagement depends on balancing skill level with difficulty. Too hard leads to giving up, and too easy leads to boredom. [19:56]▸ [20:16]▸
- The parent's role is to create a supportive environment and not rescue the child from the struggle. [18:06]▸ [23:41]▸ [23:41]▸ [24:28]▸
Past paper practice method
- Divide study time: one part rote memorising; class and textbook activities; half of test preparation time on past papers.
- Find two or three past papers and identify the similar concepts.
- Do the first concept in one paper and mark it.
- Do the same concept in the next paper, mark it, and fix errors before moving on.
- Repeat concept by concept, ideally across five or six papers.
- Then do whole papers, easiest to hardest questions, under time conditions, and mark them.
As described in the episode: [24:40]▸ [24:43]▸ [25:44]▸ [25:57]▸ [26:56]▸
Lessons
- When quizzing a child at home, recognise that this mostly covers cognitive level one, roughly thirty to forty percent of an exam. [05:20]▸ [25:14]▸
- Teach children to read the instruction verbs in a question to know how to answer it. [06:18]▸
- Do not remove the struggle. Provide a safe environment instead, like leaving a butterfly to leave its cocoon. [18:06]▸ [23:41]▸
- Mark past papers concept by concept rather than after a full paper, to avoid practising mistakes. [25:44]▸ [25:53]▸ [25:57]▸
- Support basics: a work area, healthy meals, sleep, punctuality and leading by example. [24:28]▸
Who it's for
Parents of school-age children, especially those preparing for IEB or CAPS exams, who want to understand why exam results differ from home testing and how to support study without over-helping.
Facts stated in the episode
- In most exams, cognitive level one makes up thirty to forty percent, level two thirty to forty percent, and level three about thirty percent. [05:20]▸
- IEB papers often have cognitive level three at about forty percent. [05:53]▸
- National Senior Certificate passes sit between thirty and forty percent. [08:43]▸
- Most tertiary institutions and Edu Inc have a nominal pass of fifty percent. [08:59]▸
- An Edu Inc pass on the report card requires seventy-five percent. [09:18]▸
- A 'Bloom's Taxonomy for Teachers' resource is on the Edu Inc website under resources. [08:29]▸
Questions this episode answers
- Why does my child fail exams when they knew everything the night before?The speaker says parents usually test at lower cognitive levels, which make up only thirty to forty percent of an exam. So the child got everything right that was taught at home, but not everything was taught. [00:35]▸ [00:52]▸ [05:20]▸
- What are cognitive levels in school exams?Following CAPS, level one covers remembering and understanding, level two covers applying and analysing, and level three covers evaluating and creating. The speaker adds that cognitive levels are not about how intelligent someone is. [01:42]▸ [04:00]▸ [04:47]▸
- How are IEB papers weighted by cognitive level?The speaker says the IEB is weighted more to the higher cognitive levels, with level three often sitting at about forty percent. [05:53]▸
- How can I tell what an exam question is asking for?Look at the verbs and instructions in the question. The speaker says 'list' signals a basic level, while words like 'use', 'draw conclusions' and 'what would happen if' signal higher levels. Paraphrasing in your own words is what earns marks. [06:18]▸ [07:35]▸
- Should exams have questions my child was never taught?The speaker says yes. Correctly constructed exams include unseen questions that require knowledge to be applied in new ways, built from class activities and homework. [01:00]▸ [13:47]▸ [14:18]▸
- Is stress bad for learning?The speaker argues that an appropriate amount of stress motivates. Too much debilitates and too little leaves learners unmotivated, so the aim is a 'Goldilocks' amount. [18:20]▸ [19:10]▸ [19:25]▸
- How should my child use past papers?Work concept by concept across two or three papers, marking each before moving on. Then do full papers from the easiest to the hardest questions under time conditions. [25:44]▸ [25:57]▸ [26:56]▸
- What is my role as a parent in exam preparation?The speaker says to create a supportive space and environment for the child's process, including a work area, meals, sleep and punctuality. Parents can also quiz cognitive level one facts. [23:41]▸ [24:28]▸ [25:14]▸
In their own words
Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.
Bloom's taxonomy mapped to exam cognitive levels
Note (AI): Explains the three cognitive levels used in exams and their typical weightings. This shows why home testing covers only part of a paper.
Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:00]This is a very simplified version of it, and we start at the bottom with cognitive level one, which is remembering and recognizing facts. Cognitive level number two is understanding, and understanding what the facts mean. Cognitive level number one and two are considered lower order thinking skills. The next four cognitive levels, apply, analyze, evaluate, and create, are considered higher order cognitive skills. Now, we use the CAPS document …
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Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [04:00]This is a very simplified version of it, and we start at the bottom with cognitive level one, which is remembering and recognizing facts. Cognitive level number two is understanding, and understanding what the facts mean. Cognitive level number one and two are considered lower order thinking skills. The next four cognitive levels, apply, analyze, evaluate, and create, are considered higher order cognitive skills. Now, we use the CAPS document as a basis for understanding cognitive levels, and they've simplified it a little bit easier in terms of how we structure our exams and our tests, and how we engage with that information. And they've said cognitive level one is the first two cognitive levels of Bloom's taxonomy. So when I'm referring to cognitive level one from now onwards, I'm referring to the first two. Analyze and apply are cognitive level number two, and create and evaluate are cognitive level number three. Okay. What do you suppose those percentages mean that I've just added to the slide? To your mark, to your exam construction, yes, Gabs? So in most exams, between thirty and forty percent of the exam is cognitive level one. I helped my child and they knew everything when I went to school. They got forty percent for the exam, which meant they got a hundred percent for everything that you taught them at home. Cognitive level two Makes up thirty to forty percent, and cognitive level three makes up the other thirty, plus minus thirty percent. And why I say plus minus, it varies from subject to subject, and the IEB places are higher, it is weighted more to the higher cognitive levels, and often their papers are cognitive level three is sitting at about forty percent.
The red velvet cake example of cognitive levels
Note (AI): A worked example of how class activity and homework build toward an unseen, higher-level exam question.
Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [11:53]Let's bake a red velvet birthday cake for six people. It's a class activity, so we engage with them at work. Cognitive level number one, let the students engage in this. Let's make a shopping list. Let's buy the ingredients. Cognitive level number two, the requirements say fifty grams of something, yet the packets they sell are only twenty grams. How many packets do I need? The answer's not two. …
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Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [11:53]Let's bake a red velvet birthday cake for six people. It's a class activity, so we engage with them at work. Cognitive level number one, let the students engage in this. Let's make a shopping list. Let's buy the ingredients. Cognitive level number two, the requirements say fifty grams of something, yet the packets they sell are only twenty grams. How many packets do I need? The answer's not two. Conversions, lot of recipes have Imperial, measurement, and you have to convert it back to decimal. Then what happens in cognitive level number three is it asks for a round pan, if any, anyone's done any baking, it is thirty centimeters in diameter and exactly seven centimeters deep. You have one that's twenty-five and is ten centimeters deep. Or we don't have a round one, we have a square one. But it kind of looks like it's going to fit in there. And we couldn't find the canola oil from some un, unknown rainforest that's required in the, the, except if it's a Woolies recipe. So we've had to improvise with something that is oil-based that will do the same thing and not alter the, the, the taste of it. We do this all day and every day, don't we? The homework that went home. Cut out pictures from old magazines of different cakes used for various celebrations around the world. Parents look at this going, this is insignificant, it's boring, why must they just cut out papers and be researching on the internet? It looks like YouTube time to me. So let's just, not important, go to bed, let's do whatever we need to do. This was the exam question. Describe how you would prepare a blue velvet cake for a Chinese wedding with 20 guests. Were they taught a blue velvet cake for a Chinese wedding in class? Can we use the skills that we've learnt in class and a bit of research we were meant to do for homework to answer that question? Do you think this would be worth more marks than the original assessment in the classroom? Absolutely. So the class activity plus the homework will lead us to being able to answer the exam question. So this is put in a nice little box and tied with a bow, cause it looks nice and easy. It's a little bit, a little bit more messy usually, but you're getting the picture. So why it's worth more is that suddenly the recipe we had was for a cake, or in this case our butter croissant, but it was for eight, and now we have to make twenty. So now we have to learn how to use proportion and increase the recipes propor, the, the ingredients proportionally. Not only that, it said a Chinese wedding cake. So we then had to go and understand what Chinese wedding cakes look like in part of our design and our decorations. That's where the research came in. So now we're creating something that we've never done before.
Stress, motivation and balancing skill with difficulty
Note (AI): Argues that an appropriate amount of stress and difficulty motivates learning. Too much or too little causes disengagement.
Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [18:20]So one of the things we talk about in study skills is stress and stress management. Stress is bad. True or false? Hands up for true, hands down for false. Guys, if we weren't stressed, we wouldn't be here. Because the cavemen that preceded us would have died during winter, because they wouldn't have had food, they wouldn't have had fire, and they wouldn't have had clothing. So the appropriate …
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Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [18:20]So one of the things we talk about in study skills is stress and stress management. Stress is bad. True or false? Hands up for true, hands down for false. Guys, if we weren't stressed, we wouldn't be here. Because the cavemen that preceded us would have died during winter, because they wouldn't have had food, they wouldn't have had fire, and they wouldn't have had clothing. So the appropriate amount of stress is good for you. Why? Because it motivates. And as human beings, we will always take the path of least resistance and do nothing if we could. Who'd rather spend their entire year on holiday? Don't worry about emails. If you don't put up your hand, you're lying. The thing is that you have to find That golden spot, the Goldilocks area of it, where it's just right, the right amount of stress that brings about the best amount of performance. Too much stress debilitates. Too little stress, we're not motivated. So it's not made difficult for the sake of making it difficult. It's an understanding that true learning only happens when we have to work for it. As Grok was talking about dopamine levels, when you have succeeded at something difficult, you get a hit, there's a rush. If it's too easy, you kind of think that it was too easy. Is the rush as big? No. It needs to be hard enough to get that dopamine kick so that you can move forward and that you want to do some more work, some more learning. The same thing happens when it comes to your skill and difficulty levels. If a child's skill is too low, I can't do it, what do we do? We give up. If it's too difficult or perceived to be too difficult, we give up. If it's too easy, the child becomes bored. So it's about finding the balance between the skill level and the difficulty level
The J curve and positive frustration
Note (AI): Describes the stages learners pass through on projects and why discomfort precedes real learning.
Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [20:33]So one of the things that I really enjoy talking about are J curves. Who knows what a J curve is? The baseline of a J curve is essentially the normal and what we expect to happen, and it dips below normal, and then it goes through past normal. So this is a nice J curve, and it's probably sitting about there. So when we start a project, and this …
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Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [20:33]So one of the things that I really enjoy talking about are J curves. Who knows what a J curve is? The baseline of a J curve is essentially the normal and what we expect to happen, and it dips below normal, and then it goes through past normal. So this is a nice J curve, and it's probably sitting about there. So when we start a project, and this J curve for me represents something that I feel quite passionate about, why we always leave things to the last minute, and we never have enough time to do it. We overestimate our skill until we really realize what it takes to do the job, and then we've got a lot of less, a lot less time to upskill ourselves to do the job, and then we eventually get there. Some people thrive on that. I think it's creating artificial stress. So we start by going clueless, I don't know what I have to do, and then naively confident. You think you know what you have to do, you still don't really know, but it's fine, I've got this, I have this idea in my head of what I'm going to be doing. Mom, it's sorted, I have an idea, I'm on top of this. Deadline looms, discouragingly realistic. I actually don't know as much as I thought I knew. There's a lot more work to be done, help crisis, maybe a tantrum, maybe some tears, and that's just from the parents. And then we start and engage on our learning curve, which at this point might be quite a steep one because we've left it so late. This ties into Jax's neuroscience. And if we look at what people are now terming positive frustration, did you know there was such a thing? I sit in the car and I don't think anything positive about the frustration I'm feeling. But in terms of preceding learning, there needs to be some discomfort and frustration, otherwise there's no need for that. We don't find ourselves open to the experience. Where real learning is happening is where we stretch our minds, where our brains are hurting, and we are working in the cognitive level three space where we are taking knowledge from different areas and putting it together.
How to divide study time and use past papers
Note (AI): A step-by-step study method: splitting time across memorising, activities and past papers, done concept by concept, then as full timed papers.
Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [24:40]So what do parent, what do kids need to be spending their time on? If you divide their time roughly into six parts, one part of their time is for rote memorizing. It's the push-ups, the times tables, the formulas. The stuff that should just be at the tip of your finger. In the old days, when we didn't have cell phones, it would be memorizing people's telephone numbers. Okay. …
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Unidentified speaker, speaker, role not identified · [24:40]So what do parent, what do kids need to be spending their time on? If you divide their time roughly into six parts, one part of their time is for rote memorizing. It's the push-ups, the times tables, the formulas. The stuff that should just be at the tip of your finger. In the old days, when we didn't have cell phones, it would be memorizing people's telephone numbers. Okay. Two thirds of their time doing class activities and textbook activities. That's where cognitive level two is. You may help them with cognitive level one by quizzing them in the car on the way to school. Cognitive level number two is in their class activities and their textbook activities, and they're appropriate activities for engaging the students and engaging them when they're practicing for tests and exams. And then in preparation for the tests and exams, they should be spending half of their time doing past papers. But there's a special way of doing past papers. We don't just sit down and do the entire paper and then mark it, because what we've done is spend two hours or three hours practicing the wrong thing. And once you've learned something, to unlearn it takes a lot longer. So what we do is, you find two or three past papers, you start by identifying the similar concepts, do the first concept, mark it. Is it correct? Yes. Move on to the second paper, same concept. Do it, it's correct. Move on to the third concept, third, the same concept in the third paper. Got it wrong, fix it. Now I have learnt it properly. If I go all three and then mark, I might have been practicing it incorrectly. And we do that concept by concept. The Matrix I like them to do five or six papers, because it gives them the broadest possible scope in how questions are being asked. Once we've done that, and we know that conceptually we understand the work that needs to be done, and we're doing it correctly, we then practice for our exam. So then we do the papers from the top, let me rephrase that, we do the whole paper. Not necessarily from the top to the bottom. But from the easiest to the hardest. Does that make sense, guys? We do it from the easiest to the hardest, but that paper in its entirety, and then we mark it and it's under time conditions.
Quotes
“So they got everything right that you taught them, but you didn't teach them everything.”
“If they were easy, everyone would be getting the As.”
“It's supposed to be hard, because that's when real learning takes place.”
“Guys, if we weren't stressed, we wouldn't be here.”
“Too much stress debilitates. Too little stress, we're not motivated.”
“It's an understanding that true learning only happens when we have to work for it.”
“There's a lot more work to be done, help crisis, maybe a tantrum, maybe some tears, and that's just from the parents.”
“Your job is to create a space and an environment and be supportive of your children's process, because the process is the most important thing.”
“And once you've learned something, to unlearn it takes a lot longer.”
“Summer bodies are made in winter.”
What was said, by topic
Cognitive levels in exams
“The chances are, ladies and gentlemen, that your child did get everything correct at home while you were testing them. But you were testing them at the incorrect cognitive levels,”
“If the teachers are constructing their exams and tests correctly, there will be questions that they've never seen before. They will be required to demonstrate their knowledge in a way that they've never had to apply before.”
“And finally, exam papers should be hard. That's how you know that they're very well constructed and that they have a good standard. If they were easy, everyone would be getting the As.”
“And it's not, not some obscure reference to how intelligent we are. It's about how we are required to demonstrate our engagement with different information and skill that varies.”
“So in most exams, between thirty and forty percent of the exam is cognitive level one. I helped my child and they knew everything when I went to school. They got forty percent for the exam, which meant they got a hundred percent for everything that you taught them at home. Cognitive level two Makes up thirty to forty percent, and cognitive level three makes up the other thirty, plus minus thirty percent.”
“it varies from subject to subject, and the IEB places are higher, it is weighted more to the higher cognitive levels, and often their papers are cognitive level three is sitting at about forty percent.”
“I think what's important to know in terms of understanding what cognitive level you're required to demonstrate engage with the knowledge is to look at the verbs, the doing words, and the instructions that are embedded in the question.”
“What they want to see is that you can paraphrase the information. In other words, use it in your own words.”
“NEC National Senior Certificate passes between thirty and forty percent. What is it telling you about what they're expecting the learners to be able to do? Learn and regurgitate, cognitive level number one.”
“Most tertiary institutions, Edu Inc, and a lot of schools have a nominal pass of fifty percent. What is the statement in fifty percent? Half of it you don't know, but we'd like you to be able to engage and use the information.”
“And then a lot of parents say, why is my child need to get seventy-five percent if they want an Edu Inc pass on their report card?”
“What it's asking you to do is engage with the work and the material and the knowledge and skills at a higher cognitive level, not just about using it, but be able to solve problems with it, to analyze it.”
“So it's likely that if you write the answer yes, it's correct, but you're only going to get one of the marks of the seven, because they want you to demonstrate that you can use the information.”
“his mark allocation was eleven of those marks with cognitive level one, ten of those marks were cognitive level number two, and nine of those marks were cognitive level number Three.”
“This was the exam question. Describe how you would prepare a blue velvet cake for a Chinese wedding with 20 guests. Were they taught a blue velvet cake for a Chinese wedding in class?”
“So the class activity plus the homework will lead us to being able to answer the exam question.”
“Compare and contrast the peacock, which is a bird, and the lizard, which is a reptile. Have they learnt about a peacock and a lizard? Have they learned about birds and reptiles?”
“and this is how we teach the students at Edu Inc from a young age, and the vocabulary starts early, so they understand that a test on the exam is an opportunity to demonstrate your knowledge and skills in a specific way.”
Bloom's taxonomy
“Every single one of those requirements that you have of your children, that your employees have of your children, when they are going to graduate or go into the workplace, that universities are going to have of your children, are all higher cognitive order thinking. And it's not something that comes naturally, it's something that has to be taught.”
“This is a very simplified version of it, and we start at the bottom with cognitive level one, which is remembering and recognizing facts. Cognitive level number two is understanding, and understanding what the facts mean. Cognitive level number one and two are considered lower order thinking skills.”
“The next four cognitive levels, apply, analyze, evaluate, and create, are considered higher order cognitive skills.”
“And they've said cognitive level one is the first two cognitive levels of Bloom's taxonomy. So when I'm referring to cognitive level one from now onwards, I'm referring to the first two. Analyze and apply are cognitive level number two, and create and evaluate are cognitive level number three.”
“if you go onto the Edu Inc website under resources there's Bloom's Taxonomy for Teachers, which will detail a lot more of the key words and the questions that allow you to access the information.”
Productive struggle in learning
“The second thing you wish you'd known sooner. It's supposed to be hard, because that's when real learning takes place.”
“You can leave it alone, keep your cats from playing with it, so put it in a safe space where it can get out. Create an environment that's the safest place for that to happen. But don't take it out of the cocoon.”
“If it's too difficult or perceived to be too difficult, we give up. If it's too easy, the child becomes bored. So it's about finding the balance between the skill level and the difficulty level to keep people engaged.”
“But in terms of preceding learning, there needs to be some discomfort and frustration, otherwise there's no need for that. We don't find ourselves open to the experience.”
“Where real learning is happening is where we stretch our minds, where our brains are hurting, and we are working in the cognitive level three space where we are taking knowledge from different areas and putting it together.”
“One of the things that your kids or the kids that are in the audience are going to do is create the own title that they are going to be Performing in this world, their own mission, and part of that is taking knowledge from here and knowledge from there and putting it together.”
Stress and motivation
“The thing is that you have to find That golden spot, the Goldilocks area of it, where it's just right, the right amount of stress that brings about the best amount of performance. Too much stress debilitates. Too little stress, we're not motivated.”
“It needs to be hard enough to get that dopamine kick so that you can move forward and that you want to do some more work, some more learning.”
“We overestimate our skill until we really realize what it takes to do the job, and then we've got a lot of less, a lot less time to upskill ourselves to do the job, and then we eventually get there. Some people thrive on that. I think it's creating artificial stress.”
Parent support role
“Your job is to create a space and an environment and be supportive of your children's process, because the process is the most important thing.”
“Suitable work area, healthy meals, regular and sufficient sleep, at school on time, and lead by example. You demonstrate control, your kids will sense that control.”
“You may help them with cognitive level one by quizzing them in the car on the way to school.”
Exam preparation with past papers
“If you divide their time roughly into six parts, one part of their time is for rote memorizing. It's the push-ups, the times tables, the formulas.”
“We don't just sit down and do the entire paper and then mark it, because what we've done is spend two hours or three hours practicing the wrong thing. And once you've learned something, to unlearn it takes a lot longer.”
“So what we do is, you find two or three past papers, you start by identifying the similar concepts, do the first concept, mark it.”
“We do it from the easiest to the hardest, but that paper in its entirety, and then we mark it and it's under time conditions.”
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