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I'm OK, you're OK | Trinity Nel

7 July 2020 · 5 min · as at 2020-07-07

Trinity Nel (guest)

Themes: Self-care for helpers · Student leadership · Four life positions · Risks of self-negation · Acknowledging emotions

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About the guest

Trinity Nel

student leader

A student leader who gave the Edu Inc TED-Ed talk 'I'm OK, you're OK'.

In Trinity's own words:

“The first piece of advice I was given when I became a student leader was to not let other people's circumstances and situations consume me.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [00:29]

Guest details come from the published episode notes or the guest's own words in the episode.

Episode analysis

Analysis by AI, drawn only from this episode; every point links to the moment it rests on.

This episode is a TED-Ed-style talk by Trinity Nel, a student leader. She argues that people who care for others risk self-negation, losing their own sense of self while consumed by other people's problems. She uses Thomas Anthony Harris's four life positions from 'I'm Okay, You're Okay' to show the helping relationships a person can land in. She then gives three self-care practices for reaching 'I'm okay, you're okay'. She draws on her own experience of becoming numb to her emotions as a student leader.

Key ideas

Keeping yourself okay while helping others

  1. Make an effort to acknowledge and express emotions, including bad ones like doubt, sadness, regret and anxiety.
  2. Take time in your day to breathe: in through the nose, hold a few seconds, out through the mouth.
  3. Do meditation or a calming activity when possible, such as jogging, a long bath or listening to music alone.

As described in the episode: [03:14]▸ [03:49]▸ [04:14]▸ [04:25]▸

Lessons

Who it's for

Students, student leaders and anyone who regularly supports friends or peers, and who wants a simple framework and practical habits for looking after themselves while helping others.

Facts stated in the episode

Questions this episode answers

In their own words

Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.

A student leader's slide into self-negation

Note (AI): Trinity describes from her own experience how helping others can erode the helper's own health, and defines self-negation.

Trinity Nel, guest · [00:29]The first piece of advice I was given when I became a student leader was to not let other people's circumstances and situations consume me. Before I was given this advice, I found myself on multiple occasions becoming numb to my emotions and ignoring what my body was telling me, because all I had was a voice in the back of my mind saying, "Oh, she might relapse if I …

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Trinity Nel, guest · [00:29]The first piece of advice I was given when I became a student leader was to not let other people's circumstances and situations consume me. Before I was given this advice, I found myself on multiple occasions becoming numb to my emotions and ignoring what my body was telling me, because all I had was a voice in the back of my mind saying, "Oh, she might relapse if I don't check up on her every ten minutes," or He's going through a lot right now, so don't show any form of emotion or he might feel offended. This way of thinking is a frequent occurrence to most leaders and people who just generally want to be there for others. But we need to prevent ourselves from falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of self-negation. Self-negation is the denial of evidence and existence of oneself. Helping others to the point where you've lost all motivation, all sense of self, and you have become numb to your surroundings is extremely dangerous. You can become so consumed by what everyone else is going through that you lose concern for yourself. This will affect your mental, emotional, and physical health to such an extent that you may need professional intervention or medication. This, of course, is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, but we want to prevent this from happening as much as possible.

The four life positions applied to helping

Note (AI): Trinity explains Harris's four life positions through the example of helping a friend named Sam.

Trinity Nel, guest · [01:56]Thomas Anthony Harris, a psychiatrist and author, wrote a book entitled I'm Okay, You're Okay, and it discusses the four life positions. I'm not okay, you're not okay. I'm not okay, you're okay. I'm okay, you're not okay. And I'm okay, you're okay. In the context of helping others, I'm not okay, you're not okay, refers to a situation where Sam, for example, is going through a tough time. So …

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Trinity Nel, guest · [01:56]Thomas Anthony Harris, a psychiatrist and author, wrote a book entitled I'm Okay, You're Okay, and it discusses the four life positions. I'm not okay, you're not okay. I'm not okay, you're okay. I'm okay, you're not okay. And I'm okay, you're okay. In the context of helping others, I'm not okay, you're not okay, refers to a situation where Sam, for example, is going through a tough time. So I internalize Sam's problems, and because of this, I suffer as well. I'm not okay, you're okay, is when I have helped Sam through a tough spot, and now Sam is okay, but I have taken Sam's pain and suffering and placed it upon myself. I'm okay, you're not okay, is when I acknowledge that Sam is not okay, but I'm okay, and I will stay okay while helping Sam reach the point where Sam feels okay. And lastly, I'm okay, you're okay. This is where Sam has gone through a rough time, but together, Sam and I work through the situation and come out as stronger and more positive people.

Three practical self-care habits

Note (AI): Trinity defines self-care and gives three concrete practices that let a helper stay okay while supporting others.

Trinity Nel, guest · [03:14]In order to reach this ideal position of I'm okay, you're okay, we need to make a conscious effort to take care of ourselves. Self-care is taking the time to attend to our basic physical, mental, and emotional needs. In other words, recharge our batteries. As a student leader, I have found that allowing myself to clear my mind has allowed me to continue to help the people around me …

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Trinity Nel, guest · [03:14]In order to reach this ideal position of I'm okay, you're okay, we need to make a conscious effort to take care of ourselves. Self-care is taking the time to attend to our basic physical, mental, and emotional needs. In other words, recharge our batteries. As a student leader, I have found that allowing myself to clear my mind has allowed me to continue to help the people around me who need it. Some of the things we can do to keep ourselves feeling okay are, number one, Making an effort to acknowledge and express our emotions. This is difficult, of course, because one can easily accept the feeling of good emotions such as joy and excitement, but admitting to the bad emotions such as doubt, sadness, regret, and anxiety isn't always pleasant, but suppressing these emotions will only add to the tension building up inside. Number two, taking the time out of your day to just breathe. In through the nose, hold for a couple of seconds, and out through the mouth. And finally, doing any form of meditation or calming activity whenever possible. This could be going for a jog, taking a long bath, or even sitting alone in your room and listening to music. These are all little but very important things that we should do to motivate ourselves to keep going.

Quotes

“The ones who take care of everyone else's needs are the ones who need it most,”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [00:18]
“the people who smile a lot may be the ones who cry when no one is around.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [00:23]
“we need to prevent ourselves from falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of self-negation.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:10]
“This, of course, is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of,”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:48]
“Self-care is taking the time to attend to our basic physical, mental, and emotional needs. In other words, recharge our batteries.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [03:22]
“Be there for others, but never leave yourself behind.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [04:57]

What was said, by topic

Self-care for helpers

“They say the people who exhibit the most kindness have experienced a lot of pain. The ones who act like they don't need love are the ones who need it more.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [00:09]
“In order to reach this ideal position of I'm okay, you're okay, we need to make a conscious effort to take care of ourselves. Self-care is taking the time to attend to our basic physical, mental, and emotional needs.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [03:14]
“Number two, taking the time out of your day to just breathe. In through the nose, hold for a couple of seconds, and out through the mouth.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [04:14]
“And finally, doing any form of meditation or calming activity whenever possible. This could be going for a jog, taking a long bath, or even sitting alone in your room and listening to music.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [04:25]
“These are all little but very important things that we should do to motivate ourselves to keep going.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [04:39]
“by an author who goes by Dadinsky, and it reads, Be there for others, but never leave yourself behind.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [04:53]

Student leadership

“The first piece of advice I was given when I became a student leader was to not let other people's circumstances and situations consume me.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [00:29]
“Before I was given this advice, I found myself on multiple occasions becoming numb to my emotions and ignoring what my body was telling me,”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [00:39]
“As a student leader, I have found that allowing myself to clear my mind has allowed me to continue to help the people around me who need it.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [03:33]

Risks of self-negation

“This way of thinking is a frequent occurrence to most leaders and people who just generally want to be there for others. But we need to prevent ourselves from falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of self-negation.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:03]
“Self-negation is the denial of evidence and existence of oneself. Helping others to the point where you've lost all motivation, all sense of self, and you have become numb to your surroundings is extremely dangerous.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:17]
“You can become so consumed by what everyone else is going through that you lose concern for yourself. This will affect your mental, emotional, and physical health to such an extent that you may need professional intervention or medication.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:32]
“This, of course, is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, but we want to prevent this from happening as much as possible.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:48]

Four life positions

“Thomas Anthony Harris, a psychiatrist and author, wrote a book entitled I'm Okay, You're Okay, and it discusses the four life positions.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [01:56]
“In the context of helping others, I'm not okay, you're not okay, refers to a situation where Sam, for example, is going through a tough time. So I internalize Sam's problems, and because of this, I suffer as well.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [02:18]
“I'm not okay, you're okay, is when I have helped Sam through a tough spot, and now Sam is okay, but I have taken Sam's pain and suffering and placed it upon myself.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [02:35]
“I'm okay, you're not okay, is when I acknowledge that Sam is not okay, but I'm okay, and I will stay okay while helping Sam reach the point where Sam feels okay.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [02:46]
“This is where Sam has gone through a rough time, but together, Sam and I work through the situation and come out as stronger and more positive people.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [03:03]

Acknowledging emotions

“Making an effort to acknowledge and express our emotions. This is difficult, of course, because one can easily accept the feeling of good emotions such as joy and excitement, but admitting to the bad emotions such as doubt, sadness, regret, and anxiety isn't always pleasant, but suppressing these emotions will only add to the tension building up inside.”
, Trinity Nel, guest · [03:49]

Episode notes (as published)

From the episode notes published with the podcast.

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