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Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge 2021 | Edu Inc excels

28 May 2021 · 52 min · as at 2021-05-28

Gershom Aitchison (host) · Mr Tshuma (guest) · Chad Fanaroff (guest) · Aidan Quinn (guest) · Cian Quinn (guest)

Themes: Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge · business simulation game · experiential learning · business pitch · role of the teacher · stock market trading

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About the guests

Mr Tshuma

Business Studies teacher · Education Incorporated

Guided Education Incorporated learners through the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, helped prepare a learner for the national top-ten pitch, and runs a JSC stock trading club activity with five learners.

Chad Fanaroff

learner · Education Incorporated

Placed in the top twenty of the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, running a medical-industry business named HealthTech in the game; also trades in a JSC schools stock competition with Mr Tshuma.

Aidan Quinn

learner · Education Incorporated

Placed in the top twenty of the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, running a healthcare business named Voltech in the game.

Cian Quinn

learner · Education Incorporated

Grade nine learner selected among the top ten in the country for the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge business pitch, where he pitched a bookkeeping app.

Guest details come from the published episode notes or the guest's own words in the episode.

Episode analysis

Analysis by AI, drawn only from this episode; every point links to the moment it rests on.

The headmaster of Edu Inc, an independent IEB school in Fourways, Johannesburg, talks with Business Studies teacher Mr Tshuma and three learners about the 2021 Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge. In this virtual business game, Chad and Aidan placed in the top twenty and Cian reached the national top ten for the business pitch. The learners describe how the game worked: mentor dialogue, hiring, marketing campaigns and profits. They give advice for future players. Mr Tshuma argues the game covers most of the Business Studies syllabus in practice for little cost. The conversation also covers a JSC stock trading competition and Cian's bookkeeping-app pitch.

Key ideas

Lessons

Who it's for

Teachers and school leaders weighing whether to enter learners in the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge or similar simulations, Business Studies teachers seeking practical learning, and high school learners planning to take part next year.

Facts stated in the episode

Questions this episode answers

In their own words

Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.

Aidan explains the marketing campaign segments

Note (AI): A learner describes how class, age and media preference data drove campaign choices, and how trial and error across three attempts led to success.

Gershom Aitchison, host · [14:00]And what, what was your favorite part of the five week experience? …

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Gershom Aitchison, host · [14:00]And what, what was your favorite part of the five week experience?

Aidan Quinn, guest · [14:03]Marketing campaign.

Gershom Aitchison, host · [14:04]Why did you enjoy that?

Aidan Quinn, guest · [14:06]One thing that it made you only punished anyone who didn't actually read any information about it.

Gershom Aitchison, host · [14:12]Okay.

Aidan Quinn, guest · [14:13]Since the three, you had three different segments. Segment where you had to, you got to see the different groups. You got to see like what they will provide for you. Like you had the poor, the middle class and the rich. And they would each give you different, for each time you did it, they'll give you different statistics. And you had to choose if your one would better, if yours better suits the different people. And then on that same one, they showed you what class likes. If they're like media, if they're like, and they also showed you the age. I forgot to, mention that. It started out as like teen, like children to teens, and then to like adults, and then old. The adults would usually represent the middle class or the higher class, and they showed you the what each likes, and you would have to choose, and there was another activity with a where you had to choose what you are going to order for the different, groups, and if you knew the information, you could order an entire, you could only order one thing and do very well. But there was also the, at the top of that same one, there was the eight where you had to select the age group, that was a bit difficult to see. But despite that, it was a very fun child and error experience, since first time I didn't get it right, second time I didn't, but the last time I did.

How the challenge maps onto the Business Studies syllabus

Note (AI): The teacher walks through registration, funding, human resources and marketing in the game and links each to syllabus topics, making the case for classroom use.

Mr Tshuma, guest · [20:10]with the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, at the end of the game, it feels like you would have gone through a whole year of, a field tour. Like, you've visited companies, like the learners were actually on attachment for the whole year, attachment related to business studies, because the, the amount of information and the experience that they get Through the different stages of the game is practically like eighty …

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Mr Tshuma, guest · [20:10]with the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, at the end of the game, it feels like you would have gone through a whole year of, a field tour. Like, you've visited companies, like the learners were actually on attachment for the whole year, attachment related to business studies, because the, the amount of information and the experience that they get Through the different stages of the game is practically like eighty to ninety percent of the syllabus in Business Studies. Like from grade ten to grade twelve, the whole managing of the business and the concept and the playing of the game is centered around business concepts. Like, for example, starting from registration, the players had to do registration of the companies, and in, in registering the companies, they had to choose a suitable form of business ownership. These are all concepts that are taught, especially in grade, from grade nine to grade twelve. they had to go through processes like accessing funding, and, looking at the different options available for funding businesses, and they were all given there in, in the game, and which is also part of the syllabus. And the creative aspect that the two gentlemen have mentioned is that of the human resources or the human capital function. These are taught in theory, but during the game, the learners had an actual chance to practice human resources or effective human resources management, and they did that extremely well, especially for our two gentlemen. When we do these, concepts in class, learners might get the theoretical understanding of it, but it's different from when they actually have to practice it. There is also the element that they mentioned about the marketing, which is another key topic and a key chapter. It covers a greater part of our tier one chapter, especially in grade eleven and twelve. Marketing is a huge element of the business studies syllabus. It covers a greater percentage of the whole syllabus. So now, every time when I have to do the topic in class, when I have to discuss with the learners, it's easier for me to make reference to the game. What does marketing involve? Now, the gentlemen, they know very well that marketing is not just about putting the product out there, but we have to be able to identify your target market, and at the same time, also be able to come up with the right price range for that target market, so that your product will be effective and is, made available to the right people, the right audience, and all that. So I would say that it's such a huge form of learning platform.

Blended learning versus a field tour

Note (AI): The teacher argues that practising concepts in the game beats being told about departments on a field tour, and that repeated stages let learners correct mistakes.

Mr Tshuma, guest · [25:58]Well, after the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, it became very clear that the game itself is not just a competition, but also an opportunity for teachers and learn- and learners and schools in general to use as a form of embracing blended learning. We do a lot of theoretical work, or we do a lot of theory in class, but learners, they lack that practical experience or practical application of …

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Mr Tshuma, guest · [25:58]Well, after the Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, it became very clear that the game itself is not just a competition, but also an opportunity for teachers and learn- and learners and schools in general to use as a form of embracing blended learning. We do a lot of theoretical work, or we do a lot of theory in class, but learners, they lack that practical experience or practical application of the concepts that we teach or that they learn in class. So with a game like, Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge, it gives them that experience, that firsthand experience that will enable them to relate or apply the theory that they learn in class in practice. It's also even better than the actual field tour, because when you go for a field tour, you get told how different departments work. How, for example, the administration department functions, how the marketing department functions, the production department, all the different departments, you get told how they work by the people that work there. But with the game itself gives the learners the opportunity to actually practice those concepts themselves to do trial and error. It helps them also to correct their own mistakes because there's different opportunities available through the different stages. For example, with the marketing campaign, they had to do three marketing campaigns. So each marketing stage would enable them to learn from their previous mistakes. So all in all, it just gave them that practical experience, which makes it easier for them to understand concepts during class.

The bookkeeping app pitched for small businesses

Note (AI): The youngest top-ten pitcher sets out the problem (poor records blocking credit) and his bank-linked app solution in his own words.

Cian Quinn, guest · [34:55]Well, the business that I pitched was a, it was a, it was a bookkeeping app, and it was so that your business could have, you know, accurate and, and, and reliable business records and financial records without having to, you know, employ like a bookkeeper, and so that it's easier for businesses, especially in this country, to get credit applications, because if you don't have reliable, or if you …

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Cian Quinn, guest · [34:55]Well, the business that I pitched was a, it was a, it was a bookkeeping app, and it was so that your business could have, you know, accurate and, and, and reliable business records and financial records without having to, you know, employ like a bookkeeper, and so that it's easier for businesses, especially in this country, to get credit applications, because if you don't have reliable, or if you don't have very accurate bookkeeping or, or financial records, it is very hard for you to go to credit providers and for them to provide financial support to you and financing, and so A business like that, I saw, is a very opportune thing in this country, especially with the amount of businesses in this country that are popping up with all of the, you know, young entrepreneurs, and because of the fact that there are so many of them, and they don't have these, you know, records that they need, a lot of them don't get off, don't get off the ground, or don't get as far as they need to, to be able to supply for the people. They're families, they don't have enough options to not only supply for their family, but for their communities, and maybe to benefit the economy, so.

Gershom Aitchison, host · [36:08]So, if I'm understanding it correctly, your target market was SMEs, young startup businesses, young entrepreneurs, giving them an opportunity to fiscally manage their companies so that they could get financing if they needed it further down the line, or as startup finances, for example.

Cian Quinn, guest · [36:24]Yeah, so it was focused around financing as well, so that our business Would all of the app would be used in conjunction with the business, you know, and then also the banking institution that they used. And so the app will be linked to that banking institution and can help, you know, create these records and to keep track of the records without actually needing anyone to interpret the, the reports. So the businesses and the banks could become more independent, but more, I would say more interdependently independent, where they could become better at doing what they do by using everyone else. And obviously our business would need access to all of the bank accounts.

Gershom Aitchison, host · [37:06]Sure.

Cian Quinn, guest · [37:07]But, you know, this was beneficial because all of the reports would be automatically classified into, you know, finances and not just things like, oh, I bought a McFlurry the other day because I wanted to, but more or less finances and the, the transactions related to the business itself through the, through the bank accounts. And it was definitely something that Really multifaceted and I think has a lot of uses.

Preparing Cian for the national final pitch

Note (AI): The teacher explains how the pitch was polished for judges and parents, and why putting himself into the pitch strengthened Cian's presentation.

Mr Tshuma, guest · [39:46]The pitch was the last assignment of the game. It was actually the last activity that had to be done in the game. And, during that week, I think it was our final week in school, just before we closed schools for first term. And at that point in time, I wasn't aware which learners did the pitch or which ones did not, because it was optional. I think our …

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Mr Tshuma, guest · [39:46]The pitch was the last assignment of the game. It was actually the last activity that had to be done in the game. And, during that week, I think it was our final week in school, just before we closed schools for first term. And at that point in time, I wasn't aware which learners did the pitch or which ones did not, because it was optional. I think our main focus was just on the log standings and the, our positions on the overall standings. And I wasn't even aware that Kian did, pitch. There were quite a number of students that had made intentions to pitch, but I'm not sure who did because he closed schools immediately after that. And then when I got the news that, Cian had been selected amongst the top ten in the country, I wasn't surprised really because I know Cian, when it comes to things like presentations, is just eloquent, is very good. He's, he's just got the thing for it. So I wasn't sur- surprised as such, but we had to work through his presentation in preparation for the final pitch, because the final pitch had to be done in front of the judges, in front of parents, school heads, and teachers as well, and I think you're also there for the other part of the presentation, Mr. Edgson. So we had to make sure that it was polished and it was perfect and it was competitive enough because it's best in the country, like out of the whole country, it's the best ten pitches, so he had to up his game by whatever means. Initially, his pitch was okay, the idea was good, but the way that he had presented it wasn't as, top-notch as we would expect it to be, so he polished up on that part. And I must say that on the day, on the final day, or just the day before he did the final pitch, I knew he had actually changed, he turned it around because initially it was just a business idea or the app being put out there, but in the final pitch he did put an element of himself, which means he actually is part and parcel, he applies himself emotionally and, him and the business idea are not separated and that, it worked for him as, an extra, I think. It just earned him like that, additional Acceptance amongst the judges, and the fact that he was one of the youngest to pitch really made a huge impact, and, is something to be proud of. It's already an achievement to me, to the school, and to him, I think he should be proud of that, because out of more than eight thousand learners across the country, and he becomes to be one of the youngest to be amongst the top ten already, that's a victory.

Coaching feedback and losing the Kula name

Note (AI): Shows how coaching feedback reshaped the pitch and how a name clash discovered minutes before speaking forced a last-minute change.

Cian Quinn, guest · [43:10]that was the coaching session, cause we missed the first one. but that one that we did attend, that was good. It was definitely, I mean, Kyle was paying a lot of attention, but it looked, a lot of the time I would say something that, you know, was central in my pitch, and he would look up and stop doing what he was doing, and I'm like, oh no, …

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Cian Quinn, guest · [43:10]that was the coaching session, cause we missed the first one. but that one that we did attend, that was good. It was definitely, I mean, Kyle was paying a lot of attention, but it looked, a lot of the time I would say something that, you know, was central in my pitch, and he would look up and stop doing what he was doing, and I'm like, oh no, did I, is it not good enough? And, and I think my nerves definitely spiked when he said that I forgot, like, an entire thing about my future, but the, the plans for the future, and about myself being in it, and at that moment I was like, You know, I'm done. But then he was like, as long as you add that, you know, you're good, because right now I'm 100% backing you. And I was like, okay, I mean, that was pretty surprising. I mean, after that, the only thing I was nervous for was the day after that, because I had to spend a lot of time working on the pitch again. You know, coming up with the name, long story short, the name I did come up with, literally right before I had to speak that it's already taken. That definitely messed up the speech, oh, not the speech, but the pitch a little bit. I had some cool catch line, but, you know, it was definitely nerve-wracking when I had to say the pitch both times, before it was edited and after it was edited.

Gershom Aitchison, host · [44:33]So tell me what the Name ended up being and what the cool pitch line was.

Cian Quinn, guest · [44:39]Well, initially, I was like, okay, well, my dad came up with this name. I was like, Dad, I need a name, trying to think of something, and, and my dad found, so in Zulu, Kula, K H, I think it's K H U L A, is bookkeeper or accountant. And for a second I was like, you know, nah, nah, that's boring. But then, you know, it really stuck, and then I came up with a tagline that was at the end of my speech, and I said it to Mr. Tuma, and I was so proud of myself. I think it was Grow Your Business, Grow With Kula, and I was like, damn, this is gonna be like, you know how you have Kaluta, Kaluta Airways, they have the, the super cool, super chill, the nice lady speaking, I'm not a nice lady, but regardless, I was so proud of myself, and I was like, if the rest of the pitch doesn't get them, I think this will, this is, this phrase is worth forty-five thousand rand. And then right before I'm going, the person before me does an agricultural business, and then one of the judges is like, hey, have you heard of the Business Kula? And I'm like, maybe he's talking about mine, I don't know. And then he talks about what they do, and I look up and I'm, I looked him up. yeah, I had to just get rid of every Kula in my speech, so that was pretty, it was pretty sad, yeah.

Quotes

“business is basically just an empire built on cards, and if the wind blows, everything falls.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [13:37]
“Don't skip any, whenever it tells you to read the computer, read the computer.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [15:54]
“I don't regret the one hour slot allocated for each grade to play the game per week. It was really worth it.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [23:51]
“They just told you what to do, and you do it. Nothing in between.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [27:58]
“if the rest of the pitch doesn't get them, I think this will, this is, this phrase is worth forty-five thousand rand.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [45:29]
“Once you name the business, if McDonald's changed its name now, it would just die.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [46:22]
“when something is applicable, it's usually successful.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [48:18]
“Even if I don't win, I've learned a lot that I'll need.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [49:09]
“we are small in size, but, we are big in terms of quality.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [50:39]
“I believe that each and every learner has got something in them.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [51:00]

What was said, by topic

Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge

“The Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge is an annual event whereby high school learners are given an opportunity to start and run a virtual business.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [00:58]
“Chad and Aidan, actually in the top twenty, they managed to be in the top two for the second week.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [01:47]
“Forty-five thousand for, the top position, and thirty-five thousand for the runner-up to get the business started.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [04:09]
“I spent a while, since on the first assignment, I was really lazy. I put like one sentence for each. Then I decided that that probably wouldn't be a good idea,”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [24:41]
“the main reason why I didn't place as high as I thought I would've with, with like one point two million rand was probably because I didn't do the second week task.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [38:51]
“we are small in size, but, we are big in terms of quality.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [50:39]

business simulation game

“because the whole game was about being able to make calculated risks that would pay off at the end of the day.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [02:07]
“But what a lot of people did that I saw is that they skipped through the reading parts of what the mentor and the other of the members of your team were saying,”
, Chad Fanaroff, guest · [05:29]
“It was fairly simple to start, as long as you didn't skip anything. And then, but it eventually got much harder, you had to use more decision making,”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [06:15]
“So, my business in the game was to allow patients to be able to contact their doctors through an app. And also receive test results, blood results, and all of that, and also prescriptions.”
, Chad Fanaroff, guest · [08:31]
“Seven hundred thousand rand in, in four weeks is, quite an achievement.”
, Gershom Aitchison, host · [10:16]
“And my vision was to like bring better healthcare to areas where they either don't have enough money to pay for the healthcare or they don't have good enough healthcare.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [10:28]
“but then when I was doing the business pitch, my dad pointed out that, a free healthcare company that's also non-profit isn't a good idea.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [11:11]
“I saw that they're trying to scam me out of my money, and throughout the entire game, I made sure to read not only how much they cost, but their experience.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [12:42]
“business is basically just an empire built on cards, and if the wind blows, everything falls.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [13:37]
“Don't skip any, whenever it tells you to read the computer, read the computer.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [15:54]
“Make sure you've completed all of the challenge for that task, since obviously those give you points. And if you only did the main ones, you wouldn't get as much points as if another person did all of them.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [16:15]
“If you didn't play the game properly, you would run out of funds eventually if you were putting too many expenses, hiring the wrong people with lower experience, but for a higher expense,”
, Chad Fanaroff, guest · [17:04]
“They didn't try to over-exaggerate different colors to make the players more interested in playing the game more. They just told you what to do, and you do it. Nothing in between.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [27:50]
“But this, in this game, all the information that's given to you is important, important to you.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [47:32]

business pitch

“Kian was the only grade nine, and apparently he is the youngest of all of them.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [03:52]
“It was almost a conclusion, I would, I would say, cause it was also the last task that you had to do, the last thing that you had to complete for week five,”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [33:43]
“the business that I pitched was a, it was a, it was a bookkeeping app, and it was so that your business could have, you know, accurate and, and, and reliable business records and financial records without having to, you know, employ like a bookkeeper,”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [34:55]
“if you don't have very accurate bookkeeping or, or financial records, it is very hard for you to go to credit providers and for them to provide financial support to you and financing,”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [35:24]
“in the final pitch he did put an element of himself, which means he actually is part and parcel, he applies himself emotionally”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [41:35]
“he said that I forgot, like, an entire thing about my future, but the, the plans for the future, and about myself being in it,”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [43:36]
“one of the judges is like, hey, have you heard of the Business Kula? And I'm like, maybe he's talking about mine, I don't know.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [45:41]
“Once you name the business, if McDonald's changed its name now, it would just die. The business would die.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [46:22]
“a lot of the time seeing something through will show you its applicability, and when something is applicable, it's usually successful.”
, Cian Quinn, guest · [48:14]

experiential learning

“It taught us about mainly how running a business isn't as simple as just sitting at a desk and waiting for your employees to work.”
, Aidan Quinn, guest · [06:48]
“English played a big part in comprehension skills and reading the sentences, finding the right words that were directing you into the right path.”
, Chad Fanaroff, guest · [07:38]
“the amount of information and the experience that they get Through the different stages of the game is practically like eighty to ninety percent of the syllabus in Business Studies.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [20:28]
“These are taught in theory, but during the game, the learners had an actual chance to practice human resources or effective human resources management,”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [21:23]
“marketing is not just about putting the product out there, but we have to be able to identify your target market, and at the same time, also be able to come up with the right price range for that target market,”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [22:19]
“It's also even better than the actual field tour, because when you go for a field tour, you get told how different departments work.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [26:41]
“For example, with the marketing campaign, they had to do three marketing campaigns. So each marketing stage would enable them to learn from their previous mistakes.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [27:15]
“I think It's kind of what learning is going to look like in the future, or valuable learning is going to look like in the future.”
, Gershom Aitchison, host · [32:19]

role of the teacher

“the teacher's role basically is just to facilitate and to give some motivation and advice where necessary.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [19:01]
“It's not that expensive financially because it's, they just needed to have access to the internet and to have the right gadgets,”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [23:29]
“I don't regret the one hour slot allocated for each grade to play the game per week. It was really worth it.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [23:51]
“I believe that each and every learner has got something in them. They just need to find it, and they can only find it if they do explore or whatever opportunity comes their way.”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [51:00]

stock market trading

“The game participates like a actual stock market, it runs with the real life stock market, even though you're using fake money.”
, Chad Fanaroff, guest · [29:05]
“So at the end of the year, the top learners who are the top group gets ten thousand rand split between them.”
, Chad Fanaroff, guest · [29:27]
“in the past two weeks we reached position five for the whole month, and then we're on position 26th for, like, overallly,”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [31:02]
“trading is based on buying and selling of stocks, which involves buying the stocks when they are low and selling them when they are high,”
, Mr Tshuma, guest · [31:45]

Episode notes (as published)

From the episode notes published with the podcast.

A review of the 2021 challenge by the Edu Inc Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Team Education Incorporated participated in the prestigious annual Allen Grey Entrepreneurship challenge for high school students and three of the school's students made it to the top 20 finalists for this year in a competition where more than 8000 learners from all over the country participated. In this podcast, Headmaster Mr Atchison engages in a conversation with the three participating learners (Chad, Aidan and Cian) as well as their Business Studies teacher, Mr Tshuma, in reliving their experience in the challenge and sharing the lessons learned. Allan Gray Entrepreneurial Challenge · Edu Inc website · Facebook (Public) · Facebook (closed group) · Twitter (closed group) · YouTube · Review us on Google

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