Benefits to Travelling at a Young Age | Lillian Jackson
17 June 2021 · 10 min · as at 2021-06-17
Lillian Jackson (guest)
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About the guest
Lillian Jackson
Travelled with her family by VW camper van from ages 10 to 13, starting in Collingwood, Ontario, Canada, and traversing over fifty different countries over three and a half years.
In Lillian's own words:
“We began our journey in Collingwood, Ontario, Canada, with the intention of driving around the world. Three and a half years later, I was still living out of a small box of clothes, having traversed over fifty different countries.”
“Traveling around with my family from ages 10 to 13 did give me a passion for learning, and I hope I am more self-aware and culturally sensitive.”
Guest details come from the published episode notes or the guest's own words in the episode.
Episode analysis
Analysis by AI, drawn only from this episode; every point links to the moment it rests on.
A single-speaker episode in which Lillian Jackson, a Canadian, recounts travelling with her family by camper van from ages 10 to 13 across over fifty countries. She sets research-cited benefits of youth travel (academic interest, self-awareness, empathy, tolerance of uncertainty, creativity) against her own experiences: concerts in Vienna, war museums in Vietnam, breakdowns in Namibia and sleeper buses in India. She concludes that travel made her more understanding and empathetic and brought her closer to her family, and closes with practical travel tips.
Key ideas
- Lillian argues the true benefits of travelling young are only understood once put into context or experienced firsthand. [01:14]▸ [01:34]▸
- She says visiting places of historical interest turns school into active learning, citing Vienna and a World War II bunker. [01:44]▸ [01:44]▸ [02:05]▸ [02:21]▸
- She describes everyday maths on the road: time, distance and quick exchange-rate calculations. [02:40]▸
- She believes exposure to tragic human histories through travel cultivates the empathy future leaders need. [03:17]▸ [03:49]▸ [04:18]▸ [04:28]▸
- She says overland travel built her tolerance for uncertainty and confidence through resourcefulness and help from strangers. [04:48]▸ [05:04]▸ [05:12]▸ [05:36]▸ [05:54]▸
- She cites Shelley Carson of Harvard that exposure to new cultures broadens perspective, linked to creative thinking. [07:26]▸
- Her main takeaway is that travel made her a better, more empathetic person and brought her closer to her family. [08:14]▸ [08:31]▸ [08:35]▸ [08:47]▸
Lessons
- Lillian suggests tying studies to the places being visited so subjects connect to real locations. [01:44]▸ [02:21]▸
- She notes not all learning on the road is joyful; hard museum visits left her in tears but made her more mature. [04:18]▸
- She found that resourcefulness, confidence and help from strangers got the family through uncertain nights. [05:36]▸
- She stresses quality family time as invaluable, drawing on Harry Chapin's Cats in the Cradle. [08:47]▸
- Her practical tips: check your visa's expiry date, guard food from baboons, and treat your passport as your most valuable possession. [09:24]▸
Who it's for
Parents weighing long-term family travel or a gap in conventional routines, and young people curious what travelling at a young age can teach about learning, empathy, confidence and family life.
Facts stated in the episode
- The journey began in Collingwood, Ontario, Canada, and covered over fifty countries in three and a half years. [00:53]▸
- Lillian travelled with her family from ages 10 to 13. [08:54]▸
- She cites a 1988 book, Abroad and Beyond, by Crawford D. Goodwin and Michael Nocht. [03:28]▸
- In Namibia the stalling van had to be driven no slower than 60 kilometers an hour. [06:20]▸
- She visited the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. [03:49]▸
Questions this episode answers
- What are the benefits of travelling at a young age?Lillian cites benefits including enhanced academic performance, leadership skills, a stronger sense of self and greater tolerance of uncertainty, but says they are best understood through experience. [01:14]▸ [01:34]▸
- Does travel help children learn school subjects?Lillian says visiting historical places makes school active learning; she connects the Blitzkrieg and Strauss to places she visited, though she can't say for sure her academic performance improved. [01:44]▸ [02:21]▸ [03:04]▸
- How was she schooled while travelling?Her mom taught her all subjects except music, which her dad covered through his iPod. [00:39]▸
- Can travel make kids more empathetic?Lillian says museums in Vietnam, Cambodia and Poland showed her tragic histories and made her more mature and sensitive; she believes such exposure cultivates empathy. [03:49]▸ [04:18]▸ [04:28]▸
- How does travel build confidence in children?She describes sleeping at a petrol station, being stranded on highways and taking a sleeper bus in India, saying she knows she can do it because she has done it. [05:12]▸ [05:54]▸ [06:01]▸
- What research supports travel and creativity?She cites Shelley Carson of Harvard University that travel exposes you to new cultures and places, broadening perspective. [07:26]▸
- What was her biggest takeaway from years of family travel?That travel made her a better, more understanding and empathetic person and brought her closer to her family. [08:31]▸
- What practical travel tips does she give?Always check your visa's expiry date, never leave food unattended around baboons, and treat your passport as your most valuable possession. [09:24]▸
In their own words
Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.
Selling the house and setting off in a camper van
Note (AI): Sets out the family's decision, how her schooling worked on the road, and the scale of the journey: three and a half years, over fifty countries.
Lillian Jackson, guest · [00:12]When I was ten years old, my parents sold our house, gave away our belongings, and packed the rest of our lives into a storage unit. They strapped me and my brother into a VW camper van and started driving south. We're Canadian, and driving south is really all we could do unless we wanted to freeze to death. I had a small box of clothes and toiletries and a …
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Lillian Jackson, guest · [00:12]When I was ten years old, my parents sold our house, gave away our belongings, and packed the rest of our lives into a storage unit. They strapped me and my brother into a VW camper van and started driving south. We're Canadian, and driving south is really all we could do unless we wanted to freeze to death. I had a small box of clothes and toiletries and a small box of school materials. My bed, our kitchen, our dining room, and our living room were now all contained on top of four wheels. My mom became my teacher in all subjects except music, where the history of music and music appreciation was left to my dad and his eclectic iPod. It was full of all the greats, and even the odd times something would play that didn't make my mom roll her eyes. We began our journey in Collingwood, Ontario, Canada, with the intention of driving around the world. Three and a half years later, I was still living out of a small box of clothes, having traversed over fifty different countries.
How travel turned school subjects into active learning
Note (AI): Concrete examples of history, music, maths and reading tied to places visited, with her own caveat about whether academic performance actually improved.
Lillian Jackson, guest · [01:44]Actually visiting places of historical interest and traversing continents increases interest and a better understanding of locations and events. School becomes active learning when you can picture yourself on location. In my case, I traveled through Europe doing special projects on classical music and the world wars, tailoring explorations to our studies. We attended a classical music concert in Austria at the Vienna Operhaus and walked through a World War …
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Lillian Jackson, guest · [01:44]Actually visiting places of historical interest and traversing continents increases interest and a better understanding of locations and events. School becomes active learning when you can picture yourself on location. In my case, I traveled through Europe doing special projects on classical music and the world wars, tailoring explorations to our studies. We attended a classical music concert in Austria at the Vienna Operhaus and walked through a World War II bunker that now houses a Hitler Museum. I was able to hear the music played in the original setting when it debuted and feel the claustrophobic nature of an air raid bunker. So now when I read about the Blitzkrieg or hear the Blue Danube by Strauss, I'm able to connect the stories and music to the locations and the things I learned into the place and time of these events. Those examples are obvious, but with subjects such as math and science, it's more subtle, but there is still an everyday application of these subjects. On the road, calculating time and distance was a daily occurrence, and making quick exchange rate calculations had to be second nature, or we risked botching a market negotiation or changing currency at an unfavorable rate. But for me, personally, I found the downtime to be equally beneficial, as it allowed me to devour a couple great books. There's no better way to lose yourself in a book than relating the story to the places you've been. I can't say for sure if traveling really did increase my academic performance. Perhaps it did. But I can say that I do find a number of topics pique my interest simply because I have had firsthand experience.
Self-awareness and empathy from confronting tragic histories
Note (AI): Links cited research to museum visits in Vietnam, Cambodia and Poland, and to her view that future leaders need empathy.
Lillian Jackson, guest · [03:17]When you travel, it has been shown that you become more self-aware. You discover things about yourself, your values, and priorities that help define your goals, create good habits, and improve your individuality. From a book written in 1988 titled "Abroad and Beyond: Patterns in American Overseas Education" by Crawford D. Goodwin and Michael Nocht, found that students become more mature, sophisticated, hungry for knowledge, culturally aware, and sensitive. They …
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Lillian Jackson, guest · [03:17]When you travel, it has been shown that you become more self-aware. You discover things about yourself, your values, and priorities that help define your goals, create good habits, and improve your individuality. From a book written in 1988 titled "Abroad and Beyond: Patterns in American Overseas Education" by Crawford D. Goodwin and Michael Nocht, found that students become more mature, sophisticated, hungry for knowledge, culturally aware, and sensitive. They learn by questioning their prejudices and all national stereotypes. When we traveled through Vietnam, we visited the War Remnants Museum in the Ho Chi Minh City, where the Vietnam War is portrayed as an act of aggression by the French and Americans with accusations of war crimes. It is an alternate view of the war one hears about, in North America especially. We became more culturally aware and sensitive when presented with graphic images of a country's tragic past. This was the case in other countries as well, such as Cambodia and Poland, where museums and locations hit home the tragedies suffered by humans in recent history. Not all learning was exciting, fun, and joyful, many times I left certain places in tears. But exploring such events has helped me become a more mature and sensitive person. I believe that leaders of tomorrow need a high level of empathy for everyone on this planet, and through travel and exposure to tragic and unfathomable human histories, this empathy and understanding can be cultivated. I like to think that my generation will know better and therefore do better, and this will have a little bit to do with the traveling youngsters.
Uncertainty, breakdowns and building confidence overland
Note (AI): Firsthand stories of no signal, unsafe campsites, a sleeper bus in India and a stalling van in Namibia illustrate how confidence was built.
Lillian Jackson, guest · [04:48]Traveling enhances your tolerance for uncertainty. It also boosts your confidence. When traveling by van overland, this is definitely true. Although technology today makes traveling so much easier than in the past, it is still not smooth sailing. Often we were in places without cell signal, and the state of roads made calculating our time to the next destination almost impossible. I've slept in the van while parked in a …
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Lillian Jackson, guest · [04:48]Traveling enhances your tolerance for uncertainty. It also boosts your confidence. When traveling by van overland, this is definitely true. Although technology today makes traveling so much easier than in the past, it is still not smooth sailing. Often we were in places without cell signal, and the state of roads made calculating our time to the next destination almost impossible. I've slept in the van while parked in a Guatemalan petrol station, camped at questionable places in El Salvador, Botswana, and Nicaragua, and been stranded on highways with our home broken down on the side of the road. Even little things like getting laundry done sometimes proved difficult. I have learned that I can pull off the wearing of dirty clothes and that rewearing clothes that are just a little bit dirty isn't the end of the world. Some days I didn't know where I was going to be sleeping that night. But a little resourcefulness, some confidence, and often with the help of strangers, we managed, and it wasn't all that scary. I am confident with public transport as well, having backpacked through Asia and used various metro systems in Europe. Boarding a sleeper bus from Varanasi to Delhi in India takes a lot of courage for a small-town Canadian girl, and I know I can do it. I know because I've done it. While we were driving up the west coast of southern Africa, our van broke down in an odd way. Every time the van slowed down, it would stall and not be able to start up again. We would have to wait for an hour every time this happened in order to continue on. It broke down as if it were the bus in the movie Speed, so we had to drive along roads of Namibia going no slower than 60 kilometers an hour. My dad took a roundabout on two wheels and traffic lights were our nemesis. Unfortunately, there were police checks and lights on our way to our destination, and the part we needed to fix this issue. Too bad we didn't have Keanu Reeves to save the day.
What she took away from years on the road
Note (AI): Her own summary of the benefits, weighing science against experience, stressing family closeness, and ending with practical travel tips.
Lillian Jackson, guest · [08:14]But traveling did more than just inspire me. It gave me a sense of self and a deeper understanding of who I am. From my perspective, all the things that science has said is true, but for me, putting a bullet list together of all the benefits I gained from traveling at a young age is more complicated than what science has to offer. What I've taken away from all …
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Lillian Jackson, guest · [08:14]But traveling did more than just inspire me. It gave me a sense of self and a deeper understanding of who I am. From my perspective, all the things that science has said is true, but for me, putting a bullet list together of all the benefits I gained from traveling at a young age is more complicated than what science has to offer. What I've taken away from all those years on the road is, simply put, traveling has made me a better person, more understanding, more empathetic, and most of all, it brought me closer to my family. And if my dad's extensive music playlist has taught me anything, or should I say, if Harry Chapin's Cats in the Cradle has taught me anything, getting quality family time can prove to be invaluable. Traveling around with my family from ages 10 to 13 did give me a passion for learning, and I hope I am more self-aware and culturally sensitive. I like to think that I am tolerant with uncertainty and have the courage to explore new situations, and maybe I am creative in certain ways. I do know that barbecue crickets with avocado is delicious. The highwaymen are known as the country supergroup, whatever that is. That you shouldn't walk the banks of the Ganges River first thing in the morning if you are uncomfortable with full frontal male nudity. Always check your visa's expiry date, and never leave food unattended around baboons. Also, your passport is your most valuable possession.
Quotes
“We travel initially to lose ourselves, and we travel next to find ourselves.”
“There's no better way to lose yourself in a book than relating the story to the places you've been.”
“I like to think that my generation will know better and therefore do better, and this will have a little bit to do with the traveling youngsters.”
“I have learned that I can pull off the wearing of dirty clothes and that rewearing clothes that are just a little bit dirty isn't the end of the world.”
“I know I can do it. I know because I've done it.”
“Too bad we didn't have Keanu Reeves to save the day.”
“Everywhere can be home, and anywhere can be comfortable.”
“traveling has made me a better person, more understanding, more empathetic, and most of all, it brought me closer to my family.”
“I do know that barbecue crickets with avocado is delicious.”
What was said, by topic
Travelling at a young age
“When I was ten years old, my parents sold our house, gave away our belongings, and packed the rest of our lives into a storage unit.”
“We began our journey in Collingwood, Ontario, Canada, with the intention of driving around the world. Three and a half years later, I was still living out of a small box of clothes, having traversed over fifty different countries.”
“Many of these benefits specifically contribute to the health and happiness of student age travelers that last a lifetime, from enhanced academic performance and increased leadership skills, to an increased sense of self and a greater tolerance of uncertainty.”
“what I've found is that you can't quite understand the true benefits of traveling young until it's been put into context or you've experienced it in your life.”
“One of my favorite aspects of long-term travel is how, over time, living your life becomes separated from where you are and where you're from. Everywhere can be home, and anywhere can be comfortable.”
“Traveling around with my family from ages 10 to 13 did give me a passion for learning, and I hope I am more self-aware and culturally sensitive.”
“That you shouldn't walk the banks of the Ganges River first thing in the morning if you are uncomfortable with full frontal male nudity.”
“Always check your visa's expiry date, and never leave food unattended around baboons. Also, your passport is your most valuable possession.”
Learning on location
“My mom became my teacher in all subjects except music, where the history of music and music appreciation was left to my dad and his eclectic iPod.”
“Actually visiting places of historical interest and traversing continents increases interest and a better understanding of locations and events. School becomes active learning when you can picture yourself on location.”
“We attended a classical music concert in Austria at the Vienna Operhaus and walked through a World War II bunker that now houses a Hitler Museum.”
“So now when I read about the Blitzkrieg or hear the Blue Danube by Strauss, I'm able to connect the stories and music to the locations and the things I learned into the place and time of these events.”
“On the road, calculating time and distance was a daily occurrence, and making quick exchange rate calculations had to be second nature, or we risked botching a market negotiation or changing currency at an unfavorable rate.”
“I can't say for sure if traveling really did increase my academic performance. Perhaps it did. But I can say that I do find a number of topics pique my interest simply because I have had firsthand experience.”
Empathy and cultural awareness
“When you travel, it has been shown that you become more self-aware. You discover things about yourself, your values, and priorities that help define your goals, create good habits, and improve your individuality.”
“From a book written in 1988 titled "Abroad and Beyond: Patterns in American Overseas Education" by Crawford D. Goodwin and Michael Nocht, found that students become more mature, sophisticated, hungry for knowledge, culturally aware, and sensitive.”
“When we traveled through Vietnam, we visited the War Remnants Museum in the Ho Chi Minh City, where the Vietnam War is portrayed as an act of aggression by the French and Americans with accusations of war crimes.”
“Not all learning was exciting, fun, and joyful, many times I left certain places in tears. But exploring such events has helped me become a more mature and sensitive person.”
“I believe that leaders of tomorrow need a high level of empathy for everyone on this planet, and through travel and exposure to tragic and unfathomable human histories, this empathy and understanding can be cultivated.”
Tolerance for uncertainty
“Often we were in places without cell signal, and the state of roads made calculating our time to the next destination almost impossible.”
“I've slept in the van while parked in a Guatemalan petrol station, camped at questionable places in El Salvador, Botswana, and Nicaragua, and been stranded on highways with our home broken down on the side of the road.”
“Some days I didn't know where I was going to be sleeping that night. But a little resourcefulness, some confidence, and often with the help of strangers, we managed, and it wasn't all that scary.”
“Boarding a sleeper bus from Varanasi to Delhi in India takes a lot of courage for a small-town Canadian girl, and I know I can do it. I know because I've done it.”
“Every time the van slowed down, it would stall and not be able to start up again. We would have to wait for an hour every time this happened in order to continue on.”
“It broke down as if it were the bus in the movie Speed, so we had to drive along roads of Namibia going no slower than 60 kilometers an hour.”
Creativity and inspiration
“One such researcher, Shelley Carson of Harvard University, states that travel exposes you to new people and often to new cultures, religions, languages, and customs, as well as to new places, and that this exposure broadens a traveler's perspective,”
Family time on the road
“What I've taken away from all those years on the road is, simply put, traveling has made me a better person, more understanding, more empathetic, and most of all, it brought me closer to my family.”
“if Harry Chapin's Cats in the Cradle has taught me anything, getting quality family time can prove to be invaluable.”
Episode notes (as published)
From the episode notes published with the podcast.
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