The Power of Youth
19 April 2023 · 20 min · as at 2023-04-19
Jenny Ostrowick (host) · Katryst Chari (guest)
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About the guest
Katryst Chari
published author
Became a published author at age 16 through an annual competition; has a short story published in 'Social Justice Stories: viruses, villains, victims & victors'; working on a novel called Loving Me Will Never Work.
In Katryst's own words:
“As you've heard, my name is Katryst, and I became a published author at age 16.”
Guest details come from the published episode notes or the guest's own words in the episode.
Episode analysis
Analysis by AI, drawn only from this episode; every point links to the moment it rests on.
Host Jenny Ostrowick, an English teacher at Edu Inc, a mainstream independent school in Fourways, Johannesburg, marks World Book Day by interviewing Katryst Chari, who became a published author at 16 through an annual competition for 12 to 18 year olds. Katryst talks about balancing Matric with writing, rewriting a story she has worked on since thirteen, how reading and a wider view of the world feed perspective, using symbolism, the challenge of making familiar ideas fresh, overcoming writer's block, writing under an alias for privacy, and her advice to aspiring young authors: just do it.
Key ideas
- Katryst treats unfinished work as 'in the works' rather than failed, setting a story aside until she can return with a different perspective. [03:30]▸ [03:54]▸ [04:40]▸ [04:53]▸
- Katryst argues reading gives one kind of perspective, but a wider range of knowledge and a bigger picture view of the world is what really helps writing. [06:04]▸ [06:38]▸ [07:00]▸
- The host argues editing means changing the story itself and doing research, not only fixing spelling and grammar. [05:07]▸ [05:30]▸
- Katryst says writing for publication showed her English teachers may have a point about symbolism, since she builds underlying meaning into her own fiction. [07:26]▸ [08:29]▸ [09:08]▸
- Katryst sees lack of support and the need to make already-done ideas fresh as the main challenges for young authors. [09:33]▸ [10:17]▸
- Katryst uses an alias for privacy, to separate her work from who she is. [13:30]▸ [13:41]▸ [14:42]▸
- Katryst's advice to aspiring authors is to act on the dream despite possible failure, because not trying leads to regret. [16:35]▸ [16:47]▸
Katryst's personal approach to writer's block
- Remove yourself entirely from the story rather than forcing the stuck point.
- Just live life and experience things.
- Notice what you can use in the story while living.
- Return to the book with renewed drive once the block lifts.
- Accept it may take days, weeks or months, and find what works for you.
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Lessons
- Katryst suggests separating work time from free time and writing within protected free time. [01:38]▸
- Katryst recommends reading your own draft as a reader, and being willing to rewrite it. [03:30]▸ [03:59]▸
- Katryst says writer's block can last months and that is acceptable. [11:36]▸
- Katryst advises that no single writing method suits everyone; each writer must find what works for them. [12:13]▸
- Katryst urges young writers to try, since regret comes from never acting. [16:35]▸ [16:47]▸
Who it's for
Teenagers who want to write and publish, English teachers looking for a young author's view on editing and symbolism, and parents of aspiring writers in South Africa wanting to know about the national youth writing competition.
Facts stated in the episode
- The host states World Book Day falls on 23 April 2023. [00:23]▸
- Katryst became a published author at age 16. [00:48]▸
- The competition is open to entrants aged 12 to 18, per Katryst. [02:16]▸
- Between 30 and 60 entries are selected each year, depending on budget. [02:39]▸
- The competition is run by the South African Schools Debating Board with the Center for Sexuality, AIDS, and Gender at the University of Pretoria. [19:00]▸
- The host says a girl named Stacey wrote Smelly Cats at seven and is on book four of the series. [15:41]▸
- The host says The Outsiders, read by the grade eights, was written by an author aged seventeen. [16:04]▸
Questions this episode answers
- How can a teenager in South Africa get a story published?Katryst describes an annual competition hosted by the South African Schools Debating Board with the Center for Sexuality, AIDS, and Gender at the University of Pretoria, open to ages 12 to 18, which selects 30 to 60 entries a year. [01:58]▸ [02:16]▸ [02:39]▸ [19:00]▸
- How does a Matric student find time to write?Katryst says she set a goal around Grade ten to keep work and free time separate, and writes during her free time. [01:38]▸
- Do you need to read a lot to be a good writer?Katryst says yes and no: reading gives perspective, but you can see the world differently without it, and a wider range of knowledge is what really helps writing. [06:04]▸ [06:38]▸ [07:00]▸
- Are English teachers reading too much into symbols like blue curtains?Katryst jokes that sometimes a chair is just a chair, but says that as a writer she builds underlying meaning into her fiction, so teachers may have a point. [07:26]▸ [08:15]▸ [08:29]▸ [09:08]▸
- How do you get over writer's block?Katryst steps away from the story completely and lives life, noticing things she can use, which gives her drive to return. She says it can take months and each writer must find their own method. [10:49]▸ [11:36]▸ [11:45]▸ [12:13]▸
- Should a young author use a pseudonym?Katryst says it depends on whether the name makes the person or the person makes the name; she uses an alias purely for privacy, to separate her work from herself. [13:30]▸ [13:30]▸ [13:41]▸ [14:42]▸
- What advice does a young published author give aspiring writers?Katryst says just do it: you may fail, but not trying leads to regret, and pleasing people is tiring. [16:35]▸ [16:47]▸ [17:40]▸
- What is Katryst Chari writing now?She is working on a novel called Loving Me Will Never Work, which she hopes to get to publishers by the end of the year and says is meant to make readers cry. [18:22]▸ [18:29]▸
In their own words
Longer stretches of the conversation, word for word from the transcript, turn by turn.
How a national competition led to publication
Note (AI): Explains the route by which a school pupil can get published in South Africa, and how Katryst reframed the COVID theme through symbolism.
Katryst Chari, guest · [01:58]There's actually an annual competition that occurs in our country that you may not be aware of, and it's actually hosted by SASDB in partnership with CSA&G, and it's hosted by the University of Pretoria, and it's basically this annual competition. Anyone in the country can participate as long as they're under the age of 18, and I may be wrong here, but it's over the age of 12, so …
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Katryst Chari, guest · [01:58]There's actually an annual competition that occurs in our country that you may not be aware of, and it's actually hosted by SASDB in partnership with CSA&G, and it's hosted by the University of Pretoria, and it's basically this annual competition. Anyone in the country can participate as long as they're under the age of 18, and I may be wrong here, but it's over the age of 12, so 12 to 18, and you submit via the theme. They send you a PDF document, and you can write on anything, fiction, nonfiction, essay, poem, whatever the hell you want, whatever your shtick is, and you submit it, and they select between 30 to 60 entries depending on the budget they have for the year.
Jenny Ostrowick, host · [02:46]That's fantastic. And it's through them that you became published, and I believe you have a short story and a novel on the way that you're busy writing right now.
Katryst Chari, guest · [02:55]Yes. So with them, I did a short It was about COVID, villains, viruses, victors and victims, around that wording, and I actually decided to twist the story and make the virus mankind, and use symbolism to signify how man is their own virus, and COVID was actually this type of anti-hero, per se. in terms of novels, I have a few things in the works, but getting them to the standard I believe they should be is a process in itself.
Scrapping and rewriting a story written since thirteen
Note (AI): Shows a young writer reading her own work as a reader, rewriting it repeatedly, and setting it aside rather than calling it a failure.
Jenny Ostrowick, host · [03:30]Well, that's actually one of the things that I wanted to know. Quite often we believe that when we set a challenge for ourselves that we have to complete it, and if we don't meet our standard, that we are a failure. Do you find that doing something artistic like writing, that you'd actually have some incomplete tasks, things that are on the wayside? …
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Jenny Ostrowick, host · [03:30]Well, that's actually one of the things that I wanted to know. Quite often we believe that when we set a challenge for ourselves that we have to complete it, and if we don't meet our standard, that we are a failure. Do you find that doing something artistic like writing, that you'd actually have some incomplete tasks, things that are on the wayside?
Katryst Chari, guest · [03:54]I would never state it as incomplete, but rather in the works. I have this story that I've been working on since I was thirteen, that I was ready to send out to publishers, I had done the editing process, and I was happy with it, until I decided to read it as a reader, and the more I read it, the more it felt like I was writing for Wattpad and not for a bookstore, and the more I read it, the more upset with it I got, and I actually scrapped the whole thing, redid it, didn't like it, scrapped the whole thing, and redid it again, and to this day I'm still not happy with it, and what I decided was, it's a good story idea, but the way I'm executing it, not so much. So I put the book aside, and I will come back to it, but I need to come back to it with a different perspective, so I give myself time to get that different perspective, and then I will approach that story again, cause there's No such thing as a failed story.
Does being a good writer require being a reader?
Note (AI): Katryst argues reading is one source of perspective but a wider view of the world is what improves writing.
Jenny Ostrowick, host · [06:04]would it be safe to say that you'd think that being a good writer means to be a good reader? …
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Jenny Ostrowick, host · [06:04]would it be safe to say that you'd think that being a good writer means to be a good reader?
Katryst Chari, guest · [06:10]Yes and no, and I can tell you why. Because it's about perspectives. Reading helps you get those perspectives. When you read, it's different genres, different writing styles, different ways of writing, different ways of communicating even. Each author has their own way of conveying that imagery and that message, and that's why I love fiction so much, because it's actually a very difficult thing to do. However, you don't need reading to get that perspective. For example, you could see the world differently to other people. You may be looking at the same leaf, but see a different shade of green to other people. And if you have that creative mindset where you can open your eyes to the world around you, you don't need reading. Reading helps you in one aspect of perspective for writing, but it's not the only thing you need. You need that wider range of knowledge, that bigger picture view on the world. That's the real thing that helps you with your writing.
Are English teachers over-reading the blue curtains?
Note (AI): A student-turned-author explains how writing for publication changed her view of symbolism and deeper meaning taught in English class.
Jenny Ostrowick, host · [07:26]So I actually have a personal question. I've seen on social media lately that English teachers are often sort of like in a way made fun of because we look for the deeper meaning when we're reading novels. For example, a teacher might look at a sentence and we read about the blue curtains and we say that this represents our protagonist's feelings of deep sadness. And then the opinion …
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Jenny Ostrowick, host · [07:26]So I actually have a personal question. I've seen on social media lately that English teachers are often sort of like in a way made fun of because we look for the deeper meaning when we're reading novels. For example, a teacher might look at a sentence and we read about the blue curtains and we say that this represents our protagonist's feelings of deep sadness. And then the opinion about these posts is basically that we're just looking for things that aren't really there. And sometimes it really is just about blue curtains. So what is your opinion about this? So when you write, do you use figurative language to convey a deeper meaning or are teachers just looking for things that don't exist?
Katryst Chari, guest · [08:10]I'm not going to lie. I have my own personal example and is the, he sat on the chair. Sometimes just let the boy sit on the chair. In peace. No, honestly, it flips both ways. I find myself crapping on English teachers for that exact same reason. But when I started writing to be published, I realized that my shtick as an author is having that underlying meaning and that reading in between the lines. And I actually really love having those real world issues incorporated into my fictional writing. So you will often see my main target audience is your young adults, your new adults. Those are the people I branch for. But within that group, I also reach for those critical thinkers, those analysts, if you will. And if you did read in between the lines, you would see in my own fictional writing, there is that symbolism of maybe the blue curtain is a little more than a blue curtain. And I think it took switching perspectives and actually being the writer to realize that, oh, English teachers may actually have a Point because I am doing this myself. Oops, and I'm sorry.
Overcoming writer's block by living life
Note (AI): Katryst describes her personal method for getting out of a months-long writing slump.
Jenny Ostrowick, host · [10:49]So that being said, though, how would you overcome writer's block? If everything's been done before, what do you do when you get stuck? …
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Jenny Ostrowick, host · [10:49]So that being said, though, how would you overcome writer's block? If everything's been done before, what do you do when you get stuck?
Katryst Chari, guest · [10:57]You're calling me out. You're in that spot, aren't you? Yes. experimenting. The thing is, what happens when you write, at least personally, you get so stuck on a specific point that you're trying to get across that you can't figure out how to get across that specific point, and you need to figure out how to get around that, and the more you think how to get around it, the more stuck you're going to get. So removing yourself entirely is what I would do, because what happens is, and I'm actually experiencing writer's block right now, and I'm starting to get over it finally, even though it's been a couple months. And yes, it does take months to get over writer's block, that's fine. Days, months, weeks, it's okay. But I've been in a writing slump for a couple of months, and I actually decided that I'm going to take myself completely away from the story and just live life. And the more I've been living life, the more I've been seeing, I can use this, I can use this, I can use this. And it's giving me also a drive to go back to that book and to continue it, because the writer's block is not there, because I'm not thinking about the writing. I'm just thinking about living, experiencing, and I can use this in my story, I can use that. So it's going to be different for everybody. What works for me won't work for the next guy, because we're all different people. And that's what makes us beautiful. So that's my personal method. But it's going to be different for every single person, and you need to find what works best for you.
Why she writes under an alias
Note (AI): Sets out her reasoning for using a pseudonym: privacy and separating the work from the person.
Katryst Chari, guest · [13:30]Well, I guess that depends on do you think the name makes the person or the person makes the name? That's the first question you need to ask, and once you have the answer to that, you can go down different bridges. For me, I use the alias Katryst because purely privacy. I may become famous for my writing, I don't know. I know one of my dreams and aspirations …
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Katryst Chari, guest · [13:30]Well, I guess that depends on do you think the name makes the person or the person makes the name? That's the first question you need to ask, and once you have the answer to that, you can go down different bridges. For me, I use the alias Katryst because purely privacy. I may become famous for my writing, I don't know. I know one of my dreams and aspirations is to have one of my books become a movie. Maybe like shoot for New York Times bestselling author first, but we're reaching for movie next. But I use an alias purely for privacy. I don't mind people knowing my real name, but it's none of your business nor your concern. And at the end of the day, what people lose about famous people is the fact that they are still human. And I want that thing of, I separate the actor from the character, or the actress from the character. And I always get annoyed with my friends when they're busy talking about the character and the actor as the same person, because they're not. So I separate the name, the person, Ryan Reynolds, From the character that he is or the character that he plays. There are two different people in my mind, and I use an alias to do the exact same thing, to separate my work from me. Because my work is what I do, what I'm putting out there, what I'm presenting, but who I am isn't necessarily my work. And having that division is something that people fail to understand is, yes, you're a celebrity, yes, you're in the spotlight, but I also have my own life. And I'm not always for you to see and for you to take pictures of. But I have my private life, keep it private.
Quotes
“I would never state it as incomplete, but rather in the works.”
“cause there's No such thing as a failed story.”
“You may be looking at the same leaf, but see a different shade of green to other people.”
“Sometimes just let the boy sit on the chair. In peace.”
“You're not going to be sitting in Hollywood sipping cocktails in your penthouse mansion.”
“do you think the name makes the person or the person makes the name?”
“But I have my private life, keep it private.”
“Do it. Just do it. There's more to that sentence, but just do it.”
“At the end of the day, it's your life, and pleasing people is a little bit tiring.”
“I am that author. I will kill characters off without hesitation. And that does include the main character, thank you very much.”
What was said, by topic
Becoming a young author
“On the 23rd of April, 2023, is World Book Day, and in celebration of this event, we have invited Katryst Chari to join us in studio today”
“As you've heard, my name is Katryst, and I became a published author at age 16.”
“Asked me two years ago, and I would have told you I'm going into law, but through adventure and experiment and reading, I found my love of writing, and that's where I'm heading towards now in terms of career.”
“Anyone in the country can participate as long as they're under the age of 18, and I may be wrong here, but it's over the age of 12, so 12 to 18, and you submit via the theme.”
“and you submit it, and they select between 30 to 60 entries depending on the budget they have for the year.”
“There's a girl named Stacey who at the age of seven also wrote a book. She wrote Smelly Cats and is on book number four in the series.”
“our grade eights right now, they're busy reading a novel called The Outsiders, which was written by a lady named A.C. And she was seventeen when she wrote and published the, the novel”
“The name of the book I'm currently working on is Loving Me Will Never Work. And the goal is to make you cry mercilessly.”
“The people that host the annual competition is the South African Schools Debating Board in partnership with Center for Sexuality, AIDS, and Gender at the University of Pretoria.”
Balancing school and writing
“I made it a goal at around Grade ten to make sure that I have a balance between this is work, this is my free time, don't touch my free time.”
Symbolism in fiction
“I actually decided to twist the story and make the virus mankind, and use symbolism to signify how man is their own virus, and COVID was actually this type of anti-hero, per se.”
“But when I started writing to be published, I realized that my shtick as an author is having that underlying meaning and that reading in between the lines. And I actually really love having those real world issues incorporated into my fictional writing.”
“So you will often see my main target audience is your young adults, your new adults. Those are the people I branch for.”
“And I think it took switching perspectives and actually being the writer to realize that, oh, English teachers may actually have a Point because I am doing this myself.”
Writing and editing process
“I have this story that I've been working on since I was thirteen, that I was ready to send out to publishers, I had done the editing process, and I was happy with it, until I decided to read it as a reader, and the more I read it, the more it felt like I was writing for Wattpad and not for a bookstore,”
“So I put the book aside, and I will come back to it, but I need to come back to it with a different perspective, so I give myself time to get that different perspective, and then I will approach that story again, cause there's No such thing as a failed story.”
“And part of the writing process is that you edit your work and not just change the spelling or the grammar, but actually change your story.”
“It is about doing the research and making sure that you get the right perspective and making sure that the story is the best version of what you can give to the world.”
Reading and perspective
“However, you don't need reading to get that perspective. For example, you could see the world differently to other people. You may be looking at the same leaf, but see a different shade of green to other people.”
“Reading helps you in one aspect of perspective for writing, but it's not the only thing you need. You need that wider range of knowledge, that bigger picture view on the world. That's the real thing that helps you with your writing.”
“So basically, reading Is the cheap version of getting that knowledge. If you can't afford to go to Europe, you're going to read about it instead.”
Challenges for young authors
“One of the challenges I would say is just support in general. I mean, obviously with this industry, it's not the millionaire industry.”
“When it comes to creative, everything has been done before, and it's how can I take this idea that has definitely been done before, but make it new and make it fresh.”
“I read an article a couple of months ago about the idea that there are only seven plots, that as you say, everything's been done before,”
Writer's block
“And yes, it does take months to get over writer's block, that's fine. Days, months, weeks, it's okay.”
“I actually decided that I'm going to take myself completely away from the story and just live life. And the more I've been living life, the more I've been seeing, I can use this, I can use this, I can use this.”
“What works for me won't work for the next guy, because we're all different people. And that's what makes us beautiful. So that's my personal method. But it's going to be different for every single person, and you need to find what works best for you.”
Pseudonyms and privacy
“Well, I guess that depends on do you think the name makes the person or the person makes the name? That's the first question you need to ask,”
“For me, I use the alias Katryst because purely privacy. I may become famous for my writing, I don't know. I know one of my dreams and aspirations is to have one of my books become a movie.”
“I use an alias to do the exact same thing, to separate my work from me. Because my work is what I do, what I'm putting out there, what I'm presenting, but who I am isn't necessarily my work.”
Advice for aspiring authors
“Go do the thing you want to do. Sure, you may fail, but at least you did it. Because the thing about regrets is if you don't do the action, you'll never know.”
“Also, Vincent van Gogh, when he was alive, his art meant nothing, but now that he's dead, his art is worth millions.”
Episode notes (as published)
From the episode notes published with the podcast.
A Look at Young Authors In this episode Jenny Ostrowick talks to Katryst Chari about what is means to be a young author in South Africa. Katryst has a short story published in a book called 'Social Justice Stories: viruses, villains, victims & victors'. She shares valuable insight about how to overcome common challenges as an author and shares her literary journey with us. Edu Inc website · Facebook (Public) · Facebook (closed group) · Twitter (closed group) · YouTube · Review us on Google
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